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[jamespond1]

hi re my last question i have since found when i remove live and earth from the consumer unit of the downstairs ring and probe them i get 12 volts showing on the fluke.

[sparx]

hi, if using a digital multimeter it is reading induced volts from other circuits due to it's high input impedance not loading circuit, if this means nothing to you I would suggest you may need some practical help.
see also my reply to your other post
Sparx